Re: [Linux-ia64] Re: PROPOSED: 32/64 bit coexistance
David Mosberger <davidm@hpl.hp.com> writes:
>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 10:34:50 +0200, Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.de> said:
>
> Andreas> George, you forgot to add the appended part. Especially
> Andreas> the paragraph is important that this will not imply a
> Andreas> binary incompatible change for ia64, ia64 has an emulation
> Andreas> for 32-bit binaries but is not a real 32/64-bit platform
> Andreas> like Sparc64, x86-64, PPC64 and S390.
>
> Andreas> David, does this satisfy your ia64 concerns?
>
> To be honest, I think the description is confusing and incomplete.
> This is because it doesn't clearly distinguish between code model and
> data model. On ia64, there are presently two code models (x86 and
> ia64) and two data models (ILP32 and LP64). It turns out that three
> of the four resulting possibilities make sense:
>
> (1) ia64/ilp32
> (2) ia64/lp64
> (3) x86/ilp32
>
> In the future, there could be others. For example, I'm pretty sure
> that Alpha->ia64 binary translators are in the process of being
> written and on a Compaq system, it could make sense to have
> "alpha/lp64", for example.
Then we should discuss where those will end. For ia64, the places are
according to the proposal:
(1) not defined
(2) /lib and /usr/lib
(3) not defind - but not /lib
> I think LSB is correct in suggesting /libXX for the native code model
> and "something" else for emulated code models. /opt/emu32 is clearly
> a silly name though: it mixes up the data model and the code model
> again. For the IA-64 Linux project, we're currently using
> /emul/ia32-linux for the IA-32 subsystem. (If there is strong
> objection and good reasons to reject the "/emul" prefix, I suppose we
> could use /opt/emu/ia32-linux/ instead.)
>
> A related question is whether /emul/ is reserved for "same OS"
> emulation. E.g., where would a Windows emulator go? If /emul/ only
> ever contains Linux emulators, then we could change the prefix to
> /emul/ia32/ but, from a user perspective, I think it would be
> preferable if /emul/ were allowed to contain foreign OS emulators as
> well.
>
> Now, as far as /libXX is concerned: in my opinion, /lib should contain
> the "native" or "preferred" library format (primarily for source
> compatibility and user convenience reasons). LSB is in denial if it
> claims /lib is used for 32-bit libraries only. Both IA-64 and Alpha
> use it for 64-bit libraries and if, god forbid, someone ever added
> ILP32 support to IA-64 Linux, those libraries would certainly go into
> /lib32 or something of that sort. LSB should consider and accommodate
> this case.
The proposal should just do this - and defines the "preferred" library
format. For both ia64 and Alpha, it's 64-bit but for PPC64, Sparc64
etc it's 32-bit.
Andreas
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