Re: Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept (was: Call for seconds: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.)
Le Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 09:21:57AM +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit :
>
> I really dislike the negative tone of the original proposed resolution,
> so I am thinking of proposing this as an alternative option.
>
> The text I'm thinking about is currently this:
>
> | The Debian Project recognizes that many contributors to the project are
> | not working withing established frameworks of Debian and thus are not
> | provided by the project with as much help as might be possible, useful
> | or required.
> | .
> | We thank Joerg Jaspert for exploring ideas on how to involve
> | contributors more closely with the project so that they can get both
> | recognition and the necessary tools to do their work.
> | .
> | We realize that the proposal posted to the debian-devel-announce
> | mailinglist is not yet finalized and may not have the support of a large
> | part of our community. We invite the DAM to further develop his ideas
> | in close coordination with other members of the project, and to present
> | a new and improved proposal on the project's mailinglists in the future,
> | at least two weeks prior to any planned implementation.
Hello Peter,
this is a very sensible proposition. I will propose at the end of this mail a
compromise, but first let me underline what is the part where I think our
opinions still strongly diverge.
You wrote in your amended version:
"We invite the DAM to further develop his ideas
in close coordination with other members of the project, and to present
a new and improved proposal on the project's mailinglists in the future.
Significant changes should only be implemented after consensus within
the project at large has been reached, or when decided by a general
resolution."
This completely ignores that now there are other proposals, like the ones of
Lars and Raphaël, and suggest that the only path we want to explore it the one
drafed by Joerg.
Do you think we could merge our propositions on a text like the following, that
keeps your structure and tone, but contains major changes in its sense?
The Debian Project recognizes that many contributors to the project are not
working withing established frameworks of Debian and thus are not provided by
the project with as much help as might be possible, useful or required, nor
opportunities to join the project.
We thank Joerg Jaspert for exploring ideas on how to involve contributors more
closely with and within the project so that they can get both recognition and
the necessary tools to do their work.
We realize that the proposal posted to the debian-devel-announce mailinglist is
not yet finalized and may not have the support of a large part of our
community. We invite the DAM and all the contributors to further develop their
ideas in close coordination with other members of the project, and to present a
new and improved proposal on the project's mailinglists in the future.
Significant changes should only be implemented after consensus within
the project at large has been reached, or when decided by a general
resolution.
We could then have add dichotomy on the supension or not of the changes
announced by Joerg before the discussion called by the GR achieves a result,
since it seems to be where we would still disagree.
Have a nice day,
--
Charles Plessy
Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan
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