Hi, On 2021-07-05 2:34 a.m., tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 06:21:40AM +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: >> >> Just a polite reminder: however annoyed you feel, insulting each other >> on list really doesn't help get technical or other points across. > I totally agree with you Andrew. Everything that is unrelated to the following can be considered useless: Technical aspects of a software/hardware What practice could be considered optimal for a specific case Arguments to support some technological / methodological choice References to documents / HOWTO / FAQ / etc... and so on... ( I'm pretty sure we get the point here). Yes it does make the reading bloated for other users and may even cause some people to loose interest in the mailing list. There may arise situation where it may be opportunistic to engage into some opinion, if the goal is to make a better community. This is my firm belief and the message I am responding to, can be considered such a situation. There is a point that I never saw being put forward and I think it must be dealt with, that is credibility. Same thing over what was the base of the situation here. If CIA really does infiltrate Adobe Software (or any company) then they have all the power needed to hide their track. It's not any usual layman that will have the power to trace back to them, even with all the willpower he may have. Also, if such a discovery would be made then I'm convinced that anyone who has solid proof would share them with either news agency, investigative journals, etc. Not keep it to oneself, only to be shared as part of a comment regarding the speed of opening a PDF file. So this sound to me as a pure fiction based arguments to support one's conviction against closed source software (Adobe in this case). Again this make the community of open source user look like a bunch of nutcracker thinking there's spy everywhere and going back to the 50's - 60's witch hunt. Or it's a really bad understanding over already published documents about some of the NSA program... This also raised doubt about evertything he could say, if someone doesn't validate info received and make such frivolous claim then how can I have a sense of trust over small suggestions he's making. For example that there's a real speed gain of using USB 3.0 for a webcam. Or that plugging a USB 2.0 device onto a USB 3.0 hub could reduce the speed for all the device on the hub. Even if the last part if true, I'll have a doubt over the whole sentence. (I made this one up) > Thanks, Andrew. > > Folks: if you enjoy slinging mud at each other, fine. But please, do > it off-list :-) > I dislike to see people ask for help, in good faith they will find it here and it turn bad for them. And they don't get back on the list... If having harsh exchange between each other may annoy the continuous user of the mailing list, then don't be fooled, first time user may get driver off the mailing list because they get far-reached unrelated explanation. And those one won't come back telling everyone why they left. If the goal of this mailing list is also to retain user in the use of Debian Linux distribution (and possibly derivative) then this shall also be dealt with. > I'd add "don't hurt each other", but that's me. I prefer consensual food fight over mud slinging, plus I always make sure not to target the eyes. > > Cheers > - t > -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
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