Greetings! On Thu, 2019-04-04 at 14:46 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > To add to what Curt and Reco have said: Running Synaptic using a > Wayland/Gnome combo,by clicking on an icon, it doesn't start. Not very > helpful, I think you'll agree. Especially for software that's aimed > squarely at GUI users. Started from a shell an error is, however, > reported. It's unfortunate that, as yet, a remedy has not been > forthcoming. Thanks for your input, and Curt and Reco as well. I'm not a big user of Synaptic myself, although sometimes it's easier to mark several packages and not worry about dependencies, instead of going through all the trouble of making several apt searches in command line. \begin{rant} That being said, my *main* beef with Synaptic being out of Buster is an entirely different matter. I would not object to removing it from the release, *if* a viable alternative was available with at least the same level of functionality, which does *not* seem to be the case. What is even worse, though, is the attitude of some people about that. I asked the same question I asked in my previous email in #debian-next yesterday, only to leave the channel before the flamewar became full fledged. I was "gently" reminded by certain people there of why, in the end, I have never gone all the way into trying to become a DM or a DD. Synaptic, which provides a very useful functionality to a large number of users, was unapologetically removed from the release because it does not work with the "default" installation. Which is understandable, but also extreme. If someone happens to *not* use the default installation, be it by not using Gnome, or not using Wayland, they are kept from updating an important piece of their maintenance toolkit. And that's inexcusable, especially when all they can say about it is "maintainer didn't do his job" or "if you want this fixed, do it yourself". Well, no. Being a free software user or even a Debian enthusiast does not make me a specialist in packaging, or in Synaptic internals, or Wayland internals for that matter. When someone who claims to be a Debian Developer or Maintainer or whatever, who is in a position of being responsible for ensuring that the release is as good as it can be, excuses themselves from fixing a Release Critical bug just because "they have better things to do", they are not doing a very good job. And, to be quite honest, I don't think they should be in that position. Sadly, it's an attitude that I have encountered more often than not when trying to dialogue with people involved in Debian (or in Gnome, by the way). And that's just very sad. \end{rant} Have a good day, gentlemen. Francisco -- []'s, Francisco M Neto GPG: 4096R/D692FBF0
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