Re: There is no choice
On 9/22/2014 7:39 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:57:03 +0100
> Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday 22 September 2014 18:03:20 Chris Bannister wrote:
>>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:13:10AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> On 9/22/2014 10:55 AM, Chris Bannister wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:31:57AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>>> Obviously it is important enough to enough users that it
>>>>>> continues here. And shutting people up is not going to make
>>>>>> the problem go away. It will, however, make users go away. I,
>>>>>> for one, am looking at other systems now. And I think it is
>>>>>> highly likely this path will force another fork of Debian, as
>>>>>> occurred when Ubuntu forked.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh Please! There are plenty of Debian derivatives. No doubt
>>>>> there will always be derivatives, but your insinuation that
>>>>> these derivatives occur because of problems within Debian, is
>>>>> incorrect. Please stop spreading FUD!
>>>>
>>>> And why are there derivatives? Because someone didn't like
>>>> something about Debian. To them there was a problem.
>>>
>>> Have you got any link to back this up. My understanding is that
>>> someone creates a derivative because Debian is a good starting
>>> point - someone has already done all the hard work -- all the
>>> derivatives have to do is a few config changes add some eye candy
>>> and voila! :) OK, it may not be that simple but hopefully you get
>>> my point.
>>
>> Mark Shuttleworth created Ubuntu because he wanted to give away a
>> free linux system to spread the use of Linux. He used Debian because
>> he _did_ like it, not because he didn't.
>>
>> Lisi
>
> And I'm sure Jerry likes Debian too. As it existed before systemd.
>
You're right. I'm not a sysadmin, but was pretty much forced into it
about 11 years ago when a client of mine's sysadmin left for greener
pastures (I think he became a cattle farmer :) ). Since I was doing
development for them, they asked me if I would also administer their
system (which happened to be Debian). After some intensive reading up
on administering Linux, I agreed. Since then I've gotten several other
servers. I still don't call myself a sysadmin, but I at least know
enough to keep a system running and secure.
I do like Debian - at least before systemd. But the more I read about
it, the less I like it.
Jerry
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