Re: Init system deba{te|cle}

[berenger.morel@neutralite.org]

Le 01.11.2013 20:01, Tom H a écrit :
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:58 PM,  <berenger.morel@neutralite.org> 
> wrote:
> > Le 31.10.2013 21:06, André Nunes Batista a écrit :
> > > On Wed, 2013-10-30 at 14:22 +0000, Tom H wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:55 PM, John <JohnRChamplin@wowway.com> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Could someone who has been following the giant fuss on -devel 
> > > > > over
> > > > > init systems explain why there's such a sense of dire urgency?
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it provoked by systemd's effort to be adopted having at least 
> > > > > found
> > > > > a home with gnome, made urgent by gnome's status as our default?
> > > >
> > > > Although this isn't the first debian-devel systemd-slugfest, 
> > > > there's
> > > > more of a sense of urgency and finality this time because GNOME 
> > > > 3.8
> > > > depends on logind, and, other than on Ubuntu for systemd <=204, 
> > > > that
> > > > means that GNOME 3.8 depends on systemd-as-pid-1.
> > >
> > > And does one really needs Gnome? Based on the level of user
> > > dissatisfaction I'd say Gnome shouldn't interfere with boot 
> > > process.
> > > Especially one that tries to bundle everything... maybe gnome-devs 
> > > are
> > > trying hard to address smarts, tablets and gadgets only?
> >
> > That's not gnome which changes the boot process. It's systemd. It 
> > simply
> > happens that gnome depends on systemd in Debian build.
> > Since AFAIK gnome is still available on platforms not based on linux 
> > kernel,
> > unlike systemd, I really think that it's gnome maintainer's choice 
> > to have
> > this hard dependency.
>
> If it's the Debian's GNOME maintainers' choice, how come GNOME 
> depends
> on systemd in Gentoo?

It seems I was wrong, but if I were not, then, it could be because it's 
simpler with that choice. Or people could share some opinion.