On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 11:31:15PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: >> Imagine that as a project member you are >> a service provider. A service provider can do 10 things right and be rude >> only once, and still a user will recall the negative experience. > Start by the people who are already a Debian developer and are even > more rude than me. Or is it allowed to be offensive when you are a > debian developer? Or do you have to agree with the person being rude > before they can rude??? Curious defense. There are already rude people who are Debian developers, therefore: 1) you don't believe you were wrong in the way you handled the situation, and should not change your tone; 2) no one has any right to require you to behave in a manner befitting the project before letting you in, because you have as much right to be a Debian developer as the other gasbags that have already been allowed in. >> In any event, my opinion carries no more weight than any other Debian >> developer (and less that many), so there's little point in you feeling >> threatened. I'm simply stating, publicly, that I think it's important >> that NM applicants exhibit the capacity for civil discourse on the lists, >> and that a tendency to be abusive on the lists should be a factor in the >> DAM's decision (which it may already be). > Then DAM has already failed with previous applicants. Jeroen, think about it. Flamewars follow you whenever you post. Even if you do believe you're right in showering verbal abuse down on people who don't meet your standards for "freeness", why would the DAM want to give an account to someone who comes into such sharp conflict with such a large segment of the Debian community? This isn't about what existing developers do; their rudeness isn't your problem to worry about, it's ours. Your problem is your /own/ attitude and behavior on the mailing lists as you go through the NM process. Are you so confident in the merit of your technical contributions that you think no one will hesitate to make you a Debian developer, no matter how rude you are? Do you believe this is the sort of attitude that's in keeping with a development model built around a user-focused community? If you're unwilling to concede that there are times when zealotry is contrary to the goals of Debian, and that the goals of Debian *should take precedence* when you are acting as a member of this community, then there will be DDs standing up to advocate against you so long as you persist in applying. Steve Langasek postmodern programmer
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