On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 03:56:49PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Also, the approach to the systemd integration introduces a new runtime > > package dependency on "init-system-helpers", which despite its > > generic-sounding name actually contains only helpers for systemd and is > > maintained in Debian by the systemd maintainers. > The maintainers of the package have openly offered any other useful > helpers for any other init systems a home in that package. I think it's > more due to an accident of history and existing usage that the bit of > necessary supporting glue for upstart ended up in lsb-base instead of > init-system-helpers. I acknowledge the maintainers' offer in the spirit it was intended, but I see no reason at all that upstart needs to add any glue code to the init-system-helpers package. The only outstanding integrations we would want to make are to have upstart automatically divert init scripts without the need for maintainers to edit each init script individually; and that's a change that should be made in the upstart package itself, not in a generic helper package. I also think that the extensive maintainer script changes required for any upstart-using package are quite deplorable (whether or not they're wrapped in a helper script + debhelper snippet). I understand the reasons why a trigger is unsuitable given that the systemd package may not be installed, but I am of the firm opinion (having had it beaten into me by years of dealing with the resulting bugs) that the best maintainer script is the non-existent one, and I think this added maintainer script complexity is a move in the wrong direction. If Debian adopts systemd as the default, I would hope to see these maintainer script snippets disappear in favor of a trigger, or rolled into the update-rc.d script which is already being called. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org
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