Re: Easier installer?
On 11/16/2017 07:03 PM, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote:
> Hi Wouter
>
> On 16/11/2017 13:53, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>> At $DAYJOB I'm currently supporting a piece of software for which I
>> provide binary packages for a number of distributions. As part of that,
>> I find myself having to install a Fedora or CentOS VM occasionally.
> At my $DAYJOB(s) I work on all kinds of custom Debian images. Often,
> having a system that's easy to install is of much higher priority than
> compatibility with debian-installer and sometimes even many other things
> such as features (more about that later).
>
> That's why I'm maintaining the Calamares (https://calamres.io) package
> for Debian. It's a 3rd party installer that some derivatives use. I'm
> using it in AIMS Desktop, I'm linking there since we have more
> screenshots than the upstream site:
> https://desktop.aims.ac.za/getting-started/
>
> I find Calamares significantly easier to use than pretty much any other
> installer that's available. A long term plan is to drive d-i with it in
> the background, so that the UI will gather all the options and just do
> some preseeding. The main reason that it's in Debian right now is so
> that derivatives who uses Calamares doesn't have to repeat all the
> packaging work, but I'm also working on a package called
> calamares-settings-debian, which when it is installed, will configure
> standard Debian live media to be installable using Calamares. (it will
> also be an example for derivatives who want to use it).
>
> Calamares currently does have some shortcommings. For partitioning, it
> doesn't do RAID or LVM, in these cases you have to use d-i. For the next
> round of custom ISOs I'm releasing I plan to have both d-i and calamares
> as options form the ISO boot menu.
>
> If you'd like to give calamares a shot, I also maintain a relatively
> minimilistic debian+gnome+calamares iso that you can try out, the latest
> build I did is here:
> https://download.bluemosh.com/iso/debmo/debmo-17.09-buster-amd64.iso
>
> Some people have brought up the topic of whether we should consider
> Calamares for the Debian live media by default. I think it would need
> some further discussion, since we don't really want two default
> installers in debian, and we also don't want users to get confused and
> file Calamares bugs against d-i. However, I do think Calamares has its
> merits and upstream has been great in adding more features. I also think
> providing both on the iso is not that a bad option and we can make it
> clear in Calamares that it's a 3rd party installer and add instructions
> on how to user reportbug to report bugs against it right from the installer.
>
> Feedback on any of the above is welcome :)
>
> -Jonathan
>
Just to +1 to Calamares - PureOS (Purism sponsored Debian testing main
distribution) uses Calamares for its live/user images (we still use d-i
for OEM ones as we would need to somehow teach Calamares for OEM and
also for us the full disk encryption is currently broken in Calamares
though fixes are already in pipeline last time I checked). It is much
more pleasant and some things can be hooked to GNOME Initial Setup later
for post-install configuration.
Z
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