also sprach martin f krafft <madduck@debconf.org> [2014-04-17 20:09 +0200]: > I don't think that is or should be the desired state. The two are > fundamentally different and we should stop pretending that they > aren't. Just to clarify, since some people seem to be interpreting more into this than what I was trying to say: 1. Debian and DebConf are not separate and should never be. DebConf is a sub-project of Debian in that it is run by members of the Debian project (and one criteria for local team selection is long-standing Debian/DebConf experience). Debconf's sole purpose is to benefit Debian (and its members). And its sanctioned by Debian to be *the Debian conference*. 2. While Debian might have a problem with endless discussions, bikeshedding, time-criticial decision-making etc., we probably all agree that it's a bloody fantastic project, and that we are operating at a really high standard. 3. Logically then, it would be extremely silly, if anyone of us, for instance when organising DebConf, wouldn't always try to do things the way we do them in Debian. 4. There are times, when decision-making and formal procedures in Debian are suboptimal. This hurts us at times, but we chug along — somehow and with time, our shared goal helps eclipse memories of the problems. 5. DebConf organisation does not have a lot of time available to wait for problems to get eclipsed. In fact, DebConf organisation is a whole different beast than collaborating on an operating system with its bells and whistles. 6. Therefore, DebConf is not equal to Debian and procedures that work in one don't necessarily work in the other. 7. None of this says that we, during DebConf organisation, shouldn't always strive to do things the Debian way, e.g. consensus-driven, or that DebConf is separate from Debian. 8. There are going to be times when decisions have to be made, consensus cannot be found, and it's not possible to bring everyone in dc-team (or whoever makes decisions) up to the same informational standard to make a decision. In this case, especially when time is short, decisions need to be made and the procedures need to allow for this. In fact, this needs to be perfectly clear. 9. I am not aware of a situation like (8.) in Debian. Therefore, Debian != DebConf, although they belong with each other and are inseparable. 0. I am repeating myself. -- .''`. martin f. krafft <madduck@debconf.org> : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org DebConf15: Heidelberg, Germany
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