On 2019-03-20 12:42 -0300, Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana wrote: > > > > But with 9 DDs in India and 500 or so in Europe the location is > > important. DebConf is not only for outreach. It is primarily the Debian > > Developers' conference. And yes, we definitely need more DDs from India. > > And from everywhere else, too. > > If you use numbers of DDs, we will always have DC in Europe :-) True, and there is clearly a balance to be struck between encouraging debian in new areas and optimising travel for existing developers. After 5 years when debconf could only be attended with intercontinental travel by European developers, I'm very happy with a presumption towards Europe next. The state of the climate is such that it's increasingly difficult to justify 2-4 tonnes of emissions just to visit debconf, so I've missed/am missing the last 4. Israel is somewhat closer (0.9 tonne), but cannot be reached in a low-carbon way from the UK SFAICT (no trains, no ferries), never mind the fact that I'd be very unconfortable visiting the place because of the oppression, so I guess that'll make it 5, which is really quite a long time. One thing we could do is take remote attendance more seriously so there was less need to travel thousands of miles. Conferences need to go this way, at least until fuel production is decarbonised, unless we wish to just pretend there is no climate emergency. I'm very happy to help the debconf organisers with that, as a regular remote conference attendee user, and some experience of different tech. We were well ahead of the trend in videoing all talks+questions effectively. I think we should see what we can do to use technology to make effective remote interaction work. Currently there is too much lag on outgoing video (~30seconds?) and no incoming video/audio, so it's pretty-much broadcast-only. > My question is not about DC21 to go or not to go to Europe, but you say > ***now*** that you would like to have it in Europe. > Lets wait to see the bids first. Of course, but a not-europe bid would need to be pretty compelling, and/or we need to make the remote experience a great deal more useful. I must admit, I would have been a _lot_ happier if we'd picked Portugal for 2020, then India in 2021 would not be at all contentious. Israel is a disappointing plan on more than one level. Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Debian, Wookware, ARM http://wookware.org/
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