Re: Running testing? -- read this.
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On 2008-06-04 18:10, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> IMHO you should at least quote him with the proper context.
> (E.g.: his clarifications in some messages that followed).
IMHO his clarifications just confirm that *IMHO* he takes the decision
to remove packages too lightly.
I admit that I gave a short quote of a rather long thread, but I did
give a link to the whole discussion.
The whole discussion started with a bug report [1] of Daniel R.:
> This weekend (1-June-2008) several important gnome metapackages have been
> removed from Debian Lenny repositories:
>
> gnome-core
> gnome-desktop-environment
> gnome-cups-manager
> update-manager
> update-notifier
> libgnomecupsui1.0-1c2a
>
> Now, gnome desktop does not appear in Aptitude's tasks.
If a release assistant writes what I quote in this context, it alarms
me. There already have been discussions about whether there should be a
goal of keeping testing in a usable state vs. breaking it 'on purpose'
(see [1,2]). So, I don't think I put the quote out of proper context. He
did admit that gnome-core and gnome-desktop-environment were removed on
mistake (I don't blame anyone for a mistake), but I do have the
impression that the update-* packages as well as ntp (not mentioned
there) were removed *despite* the release managers wanting them back for
release. And I personally don't think that this is a good idea.
Packages *temporarily* removed from testing while making testing less
usable IMHO is not a good idea.
Packages removed from testing, because there is little or no chance to
get them in releasable shape, however, is a good idea.
That all is just the very humble opinion of a user of testing and who is
not a DD.
To make things clear: I believe that as a whole the developers and the
release managers do an *excellent* job and I thank them for their big
efforts. Testing is the very proof just by how much debian gets better
every day. Thank you soooooo much!!!!!
Debian rocks! Resistance is futile! ;-)
Cheers,
Johannes
[1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=484009
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/06/msg00060.html
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