On 07/03/08 at 09:47 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 07:07:54PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > Well, if someone writes the code for bugs tagged help, it won't be hard > > to write the code for bugs usertagged gift as well. > > In the past implementing potentially useful stuff in the PTS first has > been amazingly helpful in spreading new habits. For example the whole > Vcs-* field affair started exactly from the PTS. Given that I like the > gift idea and that I've added the implementation of the +help stuff on > my TODO list sooner or later we might hand up having it in the PTS, ... > or maybe Raphael will beat me at it :) > > However, there is a noteworthy difference between +help and +gift from > the point of view of the PTS. The PTS is source package -oriented. > According to this view it does make sense to highlight the fact that the > package has some +help bug: if the reader is interested in the source > package, it might be interested in helping out with it. It is very > similar to what we already have for orphaned packages. > > The +gift tag on the contrary is not something which have to be accessed > in a package-oriented way, but rather in an archive-oriented way. That > is, the targets of the gift idea are people which just want to > contribute, they do not necessarily want to contribute to a specific > package. If they already know the package they want to contribute to, > they can start looking at any bugs, not necessarily at the +gift. For > this specific target (assuming I've understood correctly the gift idea), > the only view which does make sense is an aggregate view of +gift bugs > coming from several packages. > > So, in this respect, I'm not convinced that it does make sense to > support +gift in the PTS ... The use cases for help and gift tags seem similar to me: in both cases, a random user/developer looks at a package he cares about, and finds out that the maintainer is asking for help about a specific bug. For +help bugs, it's hard bugs, for +gift bugs, it's easy bugs. But in both cases, it makes sense to have that info on the PTS. Of course, the other use case for gift bugs requires an archive-wide view: a random user/developer wants to help Debian, and looks for things to fix. Raphael Geissert is working on some code that will allow people to upload their list of installed packages, and get a list of RC bugs and release goal bugs affecting those packages (the idea is to make it easy for people to find bugs that matter to them). The same code could probably be used to list +help or +gift bugs. When that service is ready enough, it could probably be announced on d-d-a, and that would be a nice opportunity to mention the gift tag again. Ah, and something else: a nice target for gift bugs could be orphaned packages. Someone with some free time could go through orphaned packages, and tag the relevant bugs +gift. That would help getting things started, at least. -- | Lucas Nussbaum | lucas@lucas-nussbaum.net http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/ | | jabber: lucas@nussbaum.fr GPG: 1024D/023B3F4F |
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