Bug#212863: new java policy: ok or not?

[Jan Schulz <jasc.usenet@gmx.de>]

Hallo Arnaud,

* Arnaud Vandyck wrote:
>Same for me,  wait until sarge is out and  let's restart the discussions
>about a new policy.

Sorry, but that was exactly the reply I was *not* hoping for. IMO
there is enough discussion and the whole thing needs some testing. I'm
also willing to write most of the initial patches. What I'm not
willing is just sit quiet until the *next* (and next...) discussion.

To integrate this changes would be in most cases (we don't have that
many java *apps*, but lots of libs) a
'cp debian/package.jars debian/package/usr/share/java-config/package'
in debian/rules (or add dh_java during binary-indep).

For VM maintainer it will be a cp and maybe some looking into the doc
and adding the right flags, where I missed something.

In the apps it would be CLASSPATH="$(java-config -all $PACKAGE)",
where $PACKAGE is all converted packages (I will start with the
low-level libs and work my way up...) and adding the if .. else .. fi
block around the current 'find java'-magic. 

All this *does* *not* interfere with current policy.

But for all this I need something more than 'wait for the sarge
release and *restart* discussing *then*'. I've no idea how far the
sarge release is (the last bit I read said two weeks behind), but it
will take at least another two month (more like after new year). There
are several attemps to add something to the policy in the BTS and all
have died. I'm not willing to let that happen to this attempt.

So what I'm asking now for is either 

* Yes, I find this propsal reasonable and think it will work. I intent
  to add the patches to my packages, if they don't interfere with
  current policy.
OR
* No, this proposal sounds like it will not work and I don't want to
  make any changes to my packages.
OR
* IMO this points (give list!) are not well thought out and need to be
  looked into again.

I intent to give up proposing this changes, if the second opinion is
consensus or if noone replys to this.

I'm sorry to say it this hard, but IMO it does no good to say 'later'
all the time. Until now, there was almost no reaction form DDs and if,
the questionable points were hopefully answered or the appropriated
changes were made. What I want is some more comitment to this, so that
I see that the work on this isn't wasted.

And I'm also more than a bit fed up with this 'no reaction' attempt,
especially when there is almost no work doing the change or just
reading through the propsal and add a opinion.

So, please make up your mind.

Jan