Re: debian-edu + edubuntu?
Ronny Aasen wrote:
RalfGesellensetter wrote:
Hi Nigel,
Am Mittwoch 21 November 2007 schrieb nigel barker:
I used edubuntu for a while before etch. The application software was
much better.
May I replace "better" by "more recent"? Or could you otherwise
explain, what was better?
of course that's what I mean.
The nice thing about free and open interfaces is that you can chose
whatever you like most in each position. One of Skolelinux's
strenghths is that it provides an all-in-one system. That's just
perfect for schools where there is no experienced GNU/Linux
administrator.
Skolelinux is fantastic. That's why I chose it over edubuntu and k12ltsp
for my school. I already had my own ltsp setup. It was the all-in one
system I needed.
But we also make use of (even closed) interfaces when we try to
integrate Windows clients (using Samba). As long as Ubuntu or
whatever distribution follows the interfaces provided by our tjener,
why should we object against integrating whatever machine?
I'm not objecting at all. I wanted to integrate edubuntu into a
skolelinux network a year or more ago. When I asked about it on the
edubuntu list, someone replied about schools not wanting to run two distros.
In my experience, Windows integrates much better into skolelinux than
edubuntu does. This is frustrating for two projects that are supposed to
be cooperating.
P.S.: As for the edUbuntu question: I can understand any criticism -
and, yes, there is a lot of work done twice. But in the end, *buntu
sells (not only on DELLs) - and
they don't sell it. They will even post you a free CD if you ask.
we should not "salt" our criticism with envy. Very ambivalent topic -
no consent in sight. In a talk held by Oliver Grawert on Edubuntu
during LinuxTag 2006, Oliver (major developer of Edubuntu) started
refering to Skolelinux as the "S-Class" of school servers). So, they
are still "after us". As we have an agreement of cooperation, we
should be able to settle down apt interfaces. And some of "our"
applications (e.g. Stopmotion) should consider to reference
"Skolelinux" directly within their info dialogue.
I dont' think it's criticism, or envy. My question was mearly a
attempth to get more user feedback. what is wanted ? why is it wanted
? and how can we support that need.
So if someone found a itch that edubuntu scratched for them . I'd like
to know what the itch was. Ofcourse not all things can be solved in
Debian Edu. so it's a good thing that there are multiple choises for a
school.
I agree with you, Ronny, and with what Andreas has also said in this thread.
Edubuntu has no central server or diskless workstations. However, they
do sound and local devices in a way which seems to work more reliably.
It would be nice if multiple debian-based choices would interoperate. It
seems edubuntu want to do their own thing, however.
I guess we should put more energy into
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/UserSurvey so we are not compleatly
running around with blindfold on.
Ronny
edubuntu has a lot of momentum. its not a case of what's lacking from
skolelinux. its like people buying ipods no matter how much better your
mp3 player is.
nigel
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