Gaudenz Steinlin dijo [Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:04:52PM +0100]: > IMO the most important topic for tonights meeting is the decision about > how to proceed with Le Camp. We promised them to have a decision by the > end of November. So to be fair and keep that promise we have to decide > now. We need some more days to get the budget approved and to have a > board meeting of the DC13 association. As legally this association will > sign the contract. Right. Shortly before the meeting, it is also my perception that we should decide no later than today what to do. It is fundamental for the mental health -mostly- of the local team — And for us remoters' to be motivated and working. > (...) > A) We agree to the Le Camp contract as it is now. (...) > B) We propose to Le Camp a shortened contract and tell them that this we > can't afford more and that we won't come to their site if they don't > agree. (...) > C) We decide to drop Le Camp and to find another venue. And I think it's time to stop just being polite and read and expect more information to come in. My point of view clearly sides towards LeCamp (probably option B) now. Why? Partly, because it no longer feels like we will be *so* short of money. Partly, because all of the data and collaboration you have all (with great dilligence!) come up with that removes important bits of my fear. But mostly, because: > (...) But we will also loose a lot of motivation. > Unless we find something very similar to Le Camp, this won't be the > DebConf we presented in our bid. While some argue that the decision > was just to go to Switzerland I don't agree with this. > (...) If no decision is taken, I will take a vacation from Debconf > organisation until at least the end of this year. The emotional stress > of the current situation is just too much for me and I think that I > better spend my time on other things in this case. (And I'm sorry to quote your mail only and not others' who have replied to this thread, I don't want to spend too much time doing this). The bid you presented is this one. And it no longer seems *impossible*. It seems hard, yes. But given we have some flexibility by our providers, and given all the work invested (and the undeniable fruits of such work, including the clarifications of the hiring conditions), I cannot imagine we would have a *real* team were we to decide to go to Interlaken or whatever other place. Right now, the options for me are to hold a two-week DebConf at LeCamp, a nine-days DebConf at LeCamp (Saturday 10 through Sunday 18 or so, that is), or not having anything at all. Of course, reality might still surprise me... But I would be really surprised :) The social part of this discussion is what is tearing us apart. There are many important points to solve... Money-wise and logistics-wise. We will most probably never have a DebConf where everybody is completely happy with the provided lodging (thinking about the huge-room issues for example) and have money to spare. Some people we want to attend will not attend. Yes, I completely accept that — But really, giving up on all of the work a great part of the Swiss team has done really seems socially disruptive and impossible to me. ...Eagerly awaiting the meeting to get out of this decision thing.
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